Comments on: The Copenhagen climate talks cannot save the planet http://moreminimal.com/2009/12/the-copenhagen-climate-talks-cannot-save-the-planet/ Making More of Less Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Chris Baskindhttp://moreminimal.com/2009/12/the-copenhagen-climate-talks-cannot-save-the-planet/comment-page-1/#comment-761 Chris Baskind Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:39:16 +0000 http://moreminimal.com/?p=539#comment-761 I don't think I'll be the one to solve that old economic paradox. But I agree that the 21st century will be shaped by the contraction of consumption. It will reshape how we live, borders, and the way we view "progress." The idea that we're going to get to more sustain able future without significant social change is fantasy. I don't think I'll be the one to solve that old economic paradox. But I agree that the 21st century will be shaped by the contraction of consumption. It will reshape how we live, borders, and the way we view “progress.” The idea that we're going to get to more sustain able future without significant social change is fantasy.

]]> By: Andreas Wedinhttp://moreminimal.com/2009/12/the-copenhagen-climate-talks-cannot-save-the-planet/comment-page-1/#comment-760 Andreas Wedin Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:15:02 +0000 http://moreminimal.com/?p=539#comment-760 You almost get into the macro-economic debate of the century, savings vs consumption. According to the once again popular JM Keynes, consumption is the road to heaven and woe to us if it goes down. It's supposed to drive investment into capital and thus, more stuff in the 'future'. His bette-noir, friend and contrarian, the austrian FA Hayek, claimed on the other hand that it is savings that drive investment and the creation of future stuff. Does this mean we're damned if we do and damned if we don't? ;) You almost get into the macro-economic debate of the century, savings vs consumption. According to the once again popular JM Keynes, consumption is the road to heaven and woe to us if it goes down. It's supposed to drive investment into capital and thus, more stuff in the 'future'. His bette-noir, friend and contrarian, the austrian FA Hayek, claimed on the other hand that it is savings that drive investment and the creation of future stuff. Does this mean we're damned if we do and damned if we don't? ;)

]]> By: mrsgreenhttp://moreminimal.com/2009/12/the-copenhagen-climate-talks-cannot-save-the-planet/comment-page-1/#comment-759 mrsgreen Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:06:53 +0000 http://moreminimal.com/?p=539#comment-759 "Make it impossible for a beleaguered Middle Class to heat their homes in the winter, and they’ll burn environmentalists for cordwood."<br><br>Lovin' that line :) Excellent article, thanks for highlighting this issue and seeing through all the hype. You're right - changing our consumption habits is key; and the more I think about this, the more I realise it is key to a LOT of issues; physical and spiritual . “Make it impossible for a beleaguered Middle Class to heat their homes in the winter, and they’ll burn environmentalists for cordwood.”

Lovin' that line :) Excellent article, thanks for highlighting this issue and seeing through all the hype. You're right – changing our consumption habits is key; and the more I think about this, the more I realise it is key to a LOT of issues; physical and spiritual .

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